I want to make a case for why I think their pricing is right 💸

[Haberjr]

Paying for syncing with Obsidian is not necessary. You can use a free version of Resilio sync to sync folders across devices. Roam is dangerous, who wants there notes hosted? Remote does offer a local only version with their desktop app.

I would vote for a different business model Offer an annual fee for buying that years’ new features. You get to keep those for life. You can pay the next year if you want to support further development and/or because you like the new features they are building. In that way, the developers have an incentive to listen to their users. $6 is a fair price. Agenda (agenda.com) has this business model as does Tinderbox (Eastgate.com). I would pay for $10 a month or a discounted $100 for annual charged at once. Point is, you always retain what you paid for, nothing will ever been taken away. Why is this more fair? Because in the year that you paid, you supported the development. At the same time you are not locked in. That is really a user-oriented as well as a developer oriented business model.

[Gabriela.AD]

In terms of stationary:

• If you go to university, you can spend 2-3-4 pounds per semester/whole degree and you are set in terms of notes.
• If you go to school below the university level, you will spend that amount per class, every semester, maybe multiple times a semester. But you need to be allowed electronics in class high school or below for something like RemNote and co. to save you money.

Lemme explain:

• If you go to university, you can get by with 1 notebook for all courses (100 pages A4 goes by slowly), 2 pens on hand (plus 3-5 more at home), post-its/Bullet Journal, and a folder with some loose paper (for exercise hand-ins/HW/tests - don’t write lecture notes on loose-leaf, ever).
• Some will need math or drawing tools and whatnot, but not everyone does, so not including the cost here. Cost of a bag, flashcards (you can just fold a page in half) etc. not included either.

Alternatives: Tablet/Phone with Pen + Laptop/PC or 2-in-1 Laptop. If the device survives years upon years, it may pay itself out, but depends. Useful and saves money if you don’t print out PDFs.

Depending on where you are in your school life, 6/4/15 bucks/pounds each month continuously is overpaying, at least for university. But that seems to be the pain of all knowledge tools nowadays, pen and paper are usually cheaper (especially short-term, but obviously you lose all the nice features RemNote Pro and co. have) as long as you aren’t picky and you don’t print stuff, or you aren’t someone that breathes notes half their life or something!
Anything below university always required classroom notebook + homework notebook at the least (with the occasional allowance to use half of it for class and the other half for HW - you’d usually run out of space tho). We also had textbook + exercise book 1 & 2 & 3 to buy at times and there weren’t any free PDF for those. As long as you are allowed electronics in class (we weren’t), you are perhaps saving bucks at high school and lower level by using something like RemNote Pro, Notion when it was 4 bucks, etc.
Free: RemNote Free User, now-free Notion, Obsidian, online Microsoft Suite, Google Docs are another discussion.
Now, this is based on my own experience. Your mileage will perhaps vary.

[ognsya]

One important distinction that might not be so clear to some is the difference between pricing and pricing model.

I think people mostly agree that the price is not too high, for what you get (even those in countries where there is an unfavourable exchange rate - they don’t claim the price is high, just that it translates to a high price once converted).

I think the issue for most people (including me) is the lack of a pricing model that reflects their needs/situation.

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For example, in my case, I don’t need cloud storage (I use local KB only), and I don’t have an “investor personality” (I think it’s risky to pay in advance for “a lifetime of features”). Which is why I suggest paying something like $X0 for current features. Then if later new features come along that interest me, I can purchase them (for smaller amounts). Maybe I’d eventually end up paying in total the current one-off price (minus cloud).

[Karthikk]

This sounds like a modular pricing model. I had suggested something similar while I filled that feedback form for pricing.

Essentially I thought instead of having a single pricing plan which would provide all the pro features, I suggested that there be different classes of pricing :

1. Students - all pro features related to studying/SRS
2. Knowledge workers - PKM + Cloud
3. Creators - PKM + Zettelkasten

Now people could choose what they want Also students version could be made cheapest.

Probably one premium plan that offers everything at a lower price than the combined total.

Does this sound like something that might be appealing to a lot of people ?

[ognsya]

@Karthikk

Does this sound like something that might be appealing to a lot of people ?

I don’t know about other people… But I guess the more options you give, the more likely it is for people to find one they are happy with.

I wouldn’t mind a very granular approach, allowing users to buy features individually, though that might be messy, or difficult to implement and manage (for the devs).

Maybe if they offered just a couple more plans (one of them being the one I described), that would be enough for the vast majority of users. (Then again, maybe they’ll find that the 3 plans they offer now is already enough for them - like I said, ultimately it’s their choice)

Regardless, I think it’s easier to focus on features, such as Cloud and SRS. Terms such as PKM or Zettelkasten are quite broad and subjective - it’s not so clear what set of features each would include.

[Karthikk]

@ognsya

Regardless, I think it’s easier to focus on features, such as Cloud and SRS. Terms such as PKM or Zettelkasten are quite broad and subjective - it’s not so clear what set of features each would include.

I simply used the framework that is explained in the website :

RemNote – Your Thinking and Learning Workspace.

[ognsya]

@Karthikk

I simply used the framework that is explained in the website :

Yes, I know.
And I simply pointed out that I don’t think some of these terms are very helpful.
Not a big deal though

[aditya]

What all the fuss is about? 3 points:

1. Pro version was inevitable for the sake of further development/improvement. So, no more why we have to pay and it should be free!
2. Most of the folks here are Anki veterans and PKM enthusiastic community is in minority and it’s not going to change anytime soon. So, As a power user of Anki, we know there are only 3~4 essential features of the app we are ever gonna use and if it’s freely available, why would anyone pay? (Donation/philanthropy? In the future perhaps!)
3. RemNote users are from all over the world so the only thing left for @RemNote Team is to price the product according to rational economy i.e., Purchasing Power Parity.
   That’s all!

[Karthikk]

Very practical and to the point.

[ravi.pawar]

I did not said that… i said the features should be their for all free users… limitation can be placed on upload size of pdf or collaberation tool limited for pro only and auto sync between app and desktop software for pro or maybe you could charge for ios application…
But to really make this a very popular product i would suggest make its all feature free for use… more user will turn it into a primary tool with community support by developers too in longer run.

[Karthikk]

to be frank, I am really not worried about RemNote becoming famous

Looking at the direction of their dev and progress, I am quite confident they are going to dominate 2021

[ravi.pawar]

Its too early to say like that

[George_Taus]

I am a life long (60+ years old) language learner. I was interested in using RemNote for my casual language studying, to use with, or maybe replace, my Anki decks. Even after watching all the YouTube videos on RemNote I could find, I never was able to figure out how RemNote was better than the many free apps I have been using for years.

Specifically, the audio import just does not work for me in RemNote. In Anki, I can embed audio clips of my foreign language words from my local desktop. They all get packaged together in my decks which I can share via the internet.

Without a good audio import, RemNote for language learning just does not make the cut for me. I would be better off using the Gold List method with some paper tablets. The advantage with the Gold List method is that I would also be hand writing my foreign words, which in itself is a form of learning.

Also, I prefer to work and store my info on my local computer, and then maybe sync with an online site, like Anki does. I don’t like the idea of storing my work on RemNote’s servers because I am not always online.

Also, if I go with a software solution, I want to pay once for the product and not get into any subscription service. EVERY subscription service I have ever tried has eventually gone out of business and I have lost all access to product I thought was mine.

So, I am not the user that RemNote needs to build its future. But there is my feedback just the same. Like I responded in RemNote’s survey before they came up with their pricing plan, “I am not willing to pay any price for RemNote in its current stage of development because it is just not better than the many free language learning apps I have been using for years.”

I do wish RemNote the best for its future and will be checking in periodically to see new developments. At this point, however, I am not even using the free version options.

[Karthikk]

It’s unfortunate that RemNote doesn’t work for you! Thank you for taking the time and penning down your thoughts, hope to see you again soon.

have a good day sir!

[Spondon]

According to the co-founder @Martin, we have a system to accept applications very quickly in large numbers, and we’re trying to keep our payment systems international, so currency rates shouldn’t be an issue, especially for people in countries like @Eiko and me.

Now now, I’m not completely sure what that is, and how it’s going to work, but it sounds really interesting and, well, trustable.

There’s also the financial aid application if you don’t know that exists.

Also, @Karthikk, your logic makes sense, and it was the perfect time to start the subscriptions. As as it looks for some of us in the Users side, it’s logical to startups, I would say that the huge amount of beta testers is already a huge giving.

@Karthikk

Until today we were all ok with not having Alias and PDF annotation, if you don’t wish to support the full time dedication of two developers, you are more than welcome to still enjoy everything that you had until yesterday, FOR FREE.

Exactly.
The devs are in fact working full time (which also makes me wonder how they were living the whole year without money from the app, rather more of straight up investment.), and being very generous. Not a lot do that.

[Spondon]

Mr. George’s points about audio are valid. I’ve talked with another language learner who was also having trouble getting audio clips into his rems. But the second thing about software being your own, on your pc forever might be a misunderstanding. You can create local knowledgebases using the desktop app, and the devs have promised to continue development. AND RemNote does have a one time fee for the native app, and it’s yours forever.

P.S. @karthikk_vijay, You’ve got a lively post here…

[beckfleck]

No offence but that didn’t age well

[taozina]

I would like to leave my opinion about the program and the amount charged. First of all, I would very much like to congratulate the RemNote team. This program is amazing in many ways. After I started using it, I greatly improved my learning at university and on exams.
I would very…very…very…very much to pay the stipulated amount for the pro version. Unfortunately, I live in Brazil. To give you an idea, 1 dollar is equivalent to 5 reais (local currency). 300 dollars is 1500 reais. It’s a lot of money for a student like me in Brazil. With that, I’m supporting myself with the options in the free version. It would be great to have a promotion once a year or every semester to reduce the values. I would definitely buy the pro (lifetime) version

[Medifier]

I’m Brazilian too, and 100% agree with the previous argument.

Despite wanting to pay and contribute to the maintenance of the app, it is almost impossible for Brazilians to pay the amount after converting the dollar value. I tried to introduce my colleagues to the program and although they were so much excited about the features and wanted to enter the platform,they fear going into debt due to the disproportionality of the currency and,
without tools like image occlusion they opted ,for now, to stay on ANKI even with the free account version on Remnote.

I will, for the time being, continue in the free version accumulating points.But it would be good to start a trending here in my country.

[Samuel_Hobarto_Sampe]

yes, please make image occlusion free