Connecting Rems

[Dante_Gaxiola]

@Badjer

I think I am doing that all the time actually
So does that mean each time I have done that I have inadvertently made a new rem even if it is using the same name? Basically an alias?

Each bullet is a unique rem & is identified by its spatial location. So if one were to grab a reference ID number for every rem each number would be different even if it has the exact same text/ name?

So to not make a new rem but use an existing rem I would just use enter if using the keyboard?

To everything here, yes, except the alias part. You can have any number of rems with the same name or text. I sometimes realize I made a rem accidentally instead of referencing an existing one, so I would need to merge them later, with ctrl + alt + shift + E.

@Badjer

Since the Android does not have the auto complete text showing up when you use the [ [ (or the / for that matter) there is no way to actually reference an existing rem at the moment.

So when I am jotting notes down via mobile when at work & I use the [ [ no auto complete shows up. As a result I end up ending the text with ] ] paying attention to use the exact wording in order to reference the correct rem but in actuality what I am doing is creating new rems with the same name if I am understanding this correctly?

Yes, that seems to be the case. I don’t make references when in Android for that reason (I write regular text and then make the needed references when on the computer). A little inconvenient, but is the state of the mobile app for now.

@Badjer

What I have actually done is created an original rem & then, since I used [[, before the rem is placed onto the screen RN extracts the rem’s unique ID number & converts it into a reference before putting it into the knowledge base

Yes, that seems to be true, even if a bit confusing, hahaha.

@Badjer

What is happening here is that the “Linking RemNote Test Folder” is a non-document rem, hence there is no icon. However, the one displaying (that’s why is blue) is a rem with only a reference to another rem. You can reference the original rem or the new rem, that only contains a reference to the original rem, but I’m sure is not what you intended here. Remember that if the text is color blue is always a reference, it doesn’t matter if is all the text. Is the same thing in “Reference is blue”. So, finally, when you create a rem from the [[ is not a document (I may have said otherwise before, sorry), is just a top-level rem, it will be created “nowhere” (i. e. in the top-level) and will have the tag #stub, you can search for that tag to see all the rems created this way. To make it a document, you need to do it manually.

And about Folders, a folder is exactly like a document, but it has other document(s) inside it, hence is a folder, that is all.

Hope that also helps. I do believe it does pay off to learn this, and recommend you check some tutorials in the Remnote’s YT channel.

[Badjer]

@Dante_Gaxiola

Hope that also helps. I do believe it does pay off to learn this, and recommend you check some tutorials in the Remnote’s YT channel

I have been checking them out but have found them confusing when it comes to the reference aspect. Not so bad when doing it from the rem level but if creating from the reference trigger not so clear.

I am checking out other tutorials, though

Appreciate all your help & time :))

[ognsya]

@Badjer

Please notice that I have placed the rem into the middle of another rem where it has content on either side

I’d also like that, but I don’t think it’s possible.

I think transclusion in RemNote can only be done as portals, not inline.

As you already found out, it does work if you link it. But that’s not the same thing.

Maybe put up a feature request. It helps if you provide a suggestion for how to implement it (in terms of UI, workflow).

[Badjer]

@Dante_Gaxiola

welcome to the forum.

I’m trying to understand your question but I believe is difficult because you are using different terms than the ones used in Remnote.

Thanks for welcoming me

I think you are right about the different terminologies. Gone thru tutorials but some of them are hard to picture in head. Doesn’t help that I’m heavily invested in Roam Research so I always translate from there when communicating with orher bidirectional apps. Kind of how someone speaks 2nd language often think in their home language

I will learn if I find RN worth the time investment. Lots of bugs so far but that’s a different topic

@Dante_Gaxiola

When you do a reference to a rem in another rem, that is the reference. The original rem is unchanged, is not “turned into a link”, “linked up as a reference”, or “made into a document”

Just to be clear a reference, in the context provided, is triggered via dbl [[ ?

So when you say original is not changed you mean from functionality perspective? In other words this is just a piece of text correct? However it does change in visual representation where it changes blue correct?

This reference is the normal rem then vs the doc or folder rem mentioned? If this is the case is there a way to know whether the content being referenced is a normal, doc or folder rem when viewing the original content in context without having to jump to the reference pt to find out? I ask this since every version of a reference I’ve seen so far seems to be blue. I realize that I can jump or look at side panel but wondering for fluidity sake.

Even though it is the original content it still acts as a jumping pt to the other rem types you mentioned? If I edit original text that will change all references? Or since it is original I cannot edit from the original cause it would break the reference (vs portals where you could do this) so I would have to go to the reference to edit it? If it works this way, & you remove the original, do the references disappear or do now have orphans?

I presume by definition to have a reference there needs to be an original

@Dante_Gaxiola

If the rem you are referencing is a document (a rem can be a normal rem, a document rem or a folder rem), when you double click on any reference to it, it will open focused on the rem, the way you show here:

Ah, this is what would be a page in Roam. Is there a way to make it a doc rem when in the block? Or is the only way to make it one is via the tag?

I am sure that every time I make a reference & dbl click it takes me to a doc rem
So how does something be just a normal rem reference? When you see it in context when entering your info at the bullet/ rem level?

If so what is the difference from the original & normal rem ref?

@Dante_Gaxiola

If it is not a document (or a top level rem) but a normal rem, it will open the document that contains it.

So is the only trigger for normal & doc rem dbl [[?

Having troubles figuring out how one gets created vs other or how you know which is which without jumping to it

Little confused on this pt

@Dante_Gaxiola

As to “place the rem in the middle of another rem”, I think you are putting the reference in the middle of another rem, which is totally ok. You can search for the rem you want to reference with the [[ or copy the reference from that rem (in the ···, or selecting it and clicking crtl + shift + R). It doesn’t matter if it’s a document, folder or normal rem.

This was the part I was referring to as to creating a link which is me using wrong terminology apparently.

So when you use either the dbl [[ or ctl + shift + r as triggers they are both doing the same thing?

When I use the ctl + shift + r my original text never turns blue so is this what is meant by the original rem & when you use the dbl [[ this is the doc rem?

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From what I can see the ctl + shift + r is acting like transclusion which is what I was referring to originally. Unless I am missing something you can’t tell the difference once you’re at the reference pt

However, using tranclusion is very inefficient in RN compared to Roam unless there is an effective step I’m missing

In Roam is use (( as a trigger & auto complete options appear as you type and without leaving thus drop down menu I click & its thrown into the context & I keep writing my thoughts down

In RN, unless I’m missing something, my approach would have to be following

1. If writing in context & need to tranclude I would now have to search via ctl P
2. Type what searching
3. See what want select & now you will jump to that rem
4. Highlight rem & copy
5. Search for rem were working on (unless you weren’t using side panel you could have it banked there. Be great if we could have more than 1 thing kept in side panel at a time)
6. Paste into the rem

This little time consuming

This does answer question I was asking unless there are steps I’m missing to make fluid

TY for help as there is a lot of additional info in this that I have found extremely interesting.

Now just need to figure out how to fix what the doc rem is pulling in but that’s a bug topic from what I’m gathering at Discord.

[Badjer]

@ognsya

Maybe put up a feature request. It helps if you provide a suggestion for how to implement it (in terms of UI, workflow)

I think I will do so then
Will check out the forum to see where to do so since I am kind of new to the forum

I think I have a way to do it now but kind of cumbersome compared to roam. Kind of like placing a round peg in a square hole.

Don’t think I will use the method till RN can make fluid

I will expand on this later as I am at work so responses will have to be as I have time.

[Badjer]

@ognsya

I’d also like that, but I don’t think it’s possible.

I think transclusion in RemNote can only be done as portals, not inline.

As you already found out, it does work if you link it. But that’s not the same thing.

I think there turns out to be a transclusion option in RN that I have listed below . However, it is extremly time consuming in comparison to Roam Research

I will submit a feature request when I figure out where to do so to make its execution more fluid

@Badjer

In Roam is use (( as a trigger & auto complete options appear as you type and without leaving thus drop down menu I click & its thrown into the context & I keep writing my thoughts down

In RN, unless I’m missing something, my approach would have to be following

1. If writing in context & need to tranclude I would now have to search via ctl P
2. Type what searching
3. See what want select & now you will jump to that rem
4. Highlight rem & copy
5. Search for rem were working on (unless you weren’t using side panel you could have it banked there. Be great if we could have more than 1 thing kept in side panel at a time)
6. Paste into the rem

I am not sure if you knew about this or not but figured I should tag you since you had an interest in transclusion like I did