Hi there
Don’t see an intro page but I am new here so hello
I am pretty heavily invested into Roam Research but signed up for RemNote way back but didn’t go too deep as I found lots of friction at the time. Thought maybe time to take a second look but having issues making things fluid. Someone suggested I reach out to forum so here I am.
Now that intro out of way to the topic at hand.
To my understanding RemNote does not have the ability to reference blocks w/o making it a link (aka reference) so the only way to see the content is via a portal correct? If so how do I do this on Android? When I select the add portal to rem below option it is just a search window but does not have content there for my note
Am I missing something?
Are the only way to connect your rems -> reference & portals (plus tags)?
umm, could you explain ur desired result with some images of the workflow in RoamResearch. I’ll look into ur issue but am having a difficult time understanding it, not familiar with Roam, so…
Sure. Let’s say that I have a block (rem) that is already created. I want to use this block in another location so that I can re-use the info but I don’t really want to turn it into a link/ page/ document. I would also want this to be referenced so that I can see how many times I have used this rem in my knowledge base.
So if I were in Roam I might have a block that already exists such as this screen shot . Please note that the block in question has no link, it is simply text in a given block some where within my testing database.
If I went to an empty rem to jot my idea/ thought/ note down
I might then start entering some info without any links in it such as
& instead of writing the info from scratch just grab the block I had written already & add it to my new block in whatever context I desire
This is the part that I am unsure if RemNote can do or not since my content has no link. It is simply a rem that I put into another rem. Please notice that I have placed the rem into the middle of another rem where it has content on either side
If I were in RemNote & had the same content
I am wondering if there is a way to put it into another rem without turning it into a link which I believe is referred to as a reference in RN?
I know I can highlight the entire text & turn it into a reference but to do this now turns it into a link
I presume this makes it a document since if I double click it I am taken here which now contains body, references & text references. In Roam such a landing point is called a page
Is this the result u are trying to obtain. Tho, I’ve got a feeling you already know about this. Do say if it solved ur issue, or why if it didn’t Thanks for the time to explain the issue
Yes, I am aware of the referencing feature. This is basically where it is linking the item up ahead of time but I am wondering if there is a way to grab just a block from the knowledge base that has not been turned into a reference or a Doc
For example if there would be a way to grab your rem in the example
I use this as an example since it is not linked up as a reference. So if you have a rem can you grab & re-use some where without having to take the extra steps of turning it into a ref?
I’m trying to understand your question but I believe is difficult because you are using different terms than the ones used in Remnote. When you do a reference to a rem in another rem, that is the reference. The original rem is unchanged, is not “turned into a link”, “linked up as a reference”, or “made into a document”. If the rem you are referencing is a document (a rem can be a normal rem, a document rem or a folder rem), when you double click on any reference to it, it will open focused on the rem, the way you show here:
If it is not a document (or a top level rem) but a normal rem, it will open the document that contains it.
As to “place the rem in the middle of another rem”, I think you are putting the reference in the middle of another rem, which is totally ok. You can search for the rem you want to reference with the [[ or copy the reference from that rem (in the ···, or selecting it and clicking crtl + shift + R). It doesn’t matter if it’s a document, folder or normal rem.
It is a peace of text, as everything else in Remnote, and called a rem. It will maintain any other quality (being a document, or a tag, or a folder, or all of them at once, haha). The original rem wont change its color, but the references are always blue.
The reference is blue, doesn’t matter if it refers to a normal or document rem. However, if the referenced rem is a document, it will display a document icon to its left, so you will know immediately:
Yes, type Crtl + shift + alt + D.
When you create a reference to an existing rem, it won’t change nothing in the referenced rem. Maybe what is happening to you is that you are creating a new rem. If you use [[ to make a reference, it displays the documents that contain the text you type, to make a reference to them. However, if you hit ctrl + enter or click in that option, you create a new rem with that name, in the top-level, so be sure to select a rem to reference, and not create a new one.
The crtl + shift + r copies the rem as a reference to your clipboard, so then you can past it somewhere else. The [[ opens a search for references, so this you would do directly in the rem in which you want the reference to appear.
Nope, you can do the “tranclusion” or “reference” with the [[, just as you described in Roam. That will effectively copy the rem as reference and paste it where you want it. So:
If writing in context and need to transclude, just type [[, type what you are searching, and select it with the mouse or the keyboard. Make sure not to create a new rem (yes, this happens by mistake to me sometimes).
Thank you for the help
I think, for the most part, I understand what is going on. Will need to look into further but from skimming it I believe I can understand what is being said.
There are a few items I need a little further clarification/ help with
I understand now that there should be icons distinguishing the type of rem they are which is great. However, I have referenced the same rem yet I am getting different rem types. I must be doing something wrong but I cannot figure out what that is since it is the same rem[quote=“Dante_Gaxiola, post:15, topic:1935”]
Yes, type Crtl + shift + alt + D .
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is there a hotkey for folder as well? When I look under the keyboard section I cannot find afolder mention
I think I am doing that all the time actually
So does that mean each time I have done that I have inadvertently made a new rem even if it is using the same name? Basically an alias?
Each bullet is a unique rem & is identified by its spatial location. So if one were to grab a reference ID number for every rem each number would be different even if it has the exact same text/ name?
So to not make a new rem but use an existing rem I would just use enter if using the keyboard?
I think I can see where some issues might occur for me
Since the Android does not have the auto complete text showing up when you use the [[ (or the / for that matter) there is no way to actually reference an existing rem at the moment.
So when I am jotting notes down via mobile when at work & I use the [[ no auto complete shows up. As a result I end up ending the text with ]] paying attention to use the exact wording in order to reference the correct rem but in actuality what I am doing is creating new rems with the same name if I am understanding this correctly?
If this is the case then, in its current state, mobile/ Android can only be used to reference a new rem but cannot be used to reference existing rems. It could also be used for normal rems etc.
If I make a new rem via the [[ method in reality it is creating original text since this rem did not exist in my knowledge base before I created it. The reason it turns blue, which indicates reference, is that even though I have created an original rem the [[ is for accessing references
So even though I made a new rem that did not exist before I did not simply create an original rem.
What I have actually done is created an original rem & then, since I used [[, before the rem is placed onto the screenRN extracts the rem’s unique ID number & converts it into a reference before putting it into the knowledge base
This sounds a little confusing but I think that is what is happening? This is possibly the reasoning why an existing referenced rem will have the | before the blue text while a new rem made from the [[ will not have a | before the blue text?
Hey, Kamran, what do you mean? As far as I know, it doesn’t allow inline portals. Portals are always a separate rem, in a light blue (cyan?) box, and are always to entire rems. I don’t understand what is “the title of blocks”.
Yes stumbled across that later but that is what I was thinking. So dbl [[ is making it a doc rem while the transclusion/ block reference is referred to as copy rem reference in RN? Trying to use right terminology here so everyone understands what trying to say
Lol
Anyways yes I was trying to copy rem reference but in an fluid way. Sounds like RN has it but little cumbersome compared to Roam
This does answer my question though so TY
Hopefully RN will make copy rem reference more fluid to trigger at some pt. Even if when we saw the drop menu we could do at that time
I will need to think on the merits in RN of dbl [[ vs ctl + shift + r since they are quite different in time execution
I have some bugs doc rems issues to figure out but that’s different topic
So from an embedding perspective, or Portals as RN defers to them, Roam Research (RR) cannot do it any different than RN. That is to say, the Portal takes up the entire block like it does in RN.
However, they can manipulate their block references to a higher degree from what I am seeing. In this regard they can edit it but with a certain set up per say
I will try to clarify but I could be wrong on certain things as I’m learning & I think my app doesn’t work right as it’s not pulling in stuff it’s supposed to. As a result things i thought were missing vs roam might not be an app issue as much as an account so relearning. Trying to explore if can do things in way where till I can get app up to par if it’s option or if Roam better bet. See discord if interested
So to answer question (though others might correct me) if you use the [ [ method it will create a reference which if you dbl click will take you to a rem document/ folder which will contain body/ reference/ reference text if at the document rem. Basically the backlinks
Thus content is still the original text but will turn blue to act as a doorway if you will. You can’t edit things here but have to go the rem document to do so
key take away on pt is the text is original but becomes a gatewayfrom the original text where text is original & jumps you to other end to see the backlinks. The blue text means it will jump you to your reference pt. This is dependent upon you making a new right here for it to be original text vs inserting existing rem
If you use the R method listed in the above quote it transcludes but won’t create a jumping pt. The text is still original but won’t turn blue as it will not jump you to a reference pt. Instead of a thinking of a door/ gateway leading to a different room visualize that you are standing in the room
The reason for this would be the dbl [ [ focuses to rem doc where the R method is the reference itself
As a result there is no where else to go. It is the item to be transcluded so it won’t turn blue
However, even though you can copy rem reference in RN it’s execution is very cumbersome
See quote below
The app is still in development so hopefully this will be improved at some pt
Not sure if this helped but hopefully you’re a little less confused now
. Please note that the block in question has no link, it is simply text in a given block some where within my testing database.
This is the part that I am unsure if RemNote can do or not since my content has no link. It is simply a rem that I put into another rem. Please notice that I have placed the rem into the middle of another rem where it has content on either side
Thanks for the time to explain the issue
pt is the text is original but becomes a gateway from the original text where text is original & jumps you to other end to see the backlinks. The blue text means it will jump you to your reference pt. This is dependent upon you making a new right here for it to be original text vs inserting existing rem